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  What would happen if I partook at the memorial?

  by lv4fer in

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  i was just wondering.

  would they disfellowship me?

  would they just take me aside and question me?

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  William Penwell

  From the book, "Freemasonry and its Ancient Mystic Rites" pages 72 and 73, it refers to the Christian Eucharist as been borrowed from earlier Essenes and Mithraic traditions. The following reads:

  The Essenes and the Christ
  "The tradition of the Mysteries was transmitted from century to century, until we find it among the Essenes, who also appear to have inherited Chaldean rites. It was in this school that the disciple Jesus lived in preparation for His ministry, after receiving a high initiation into the true Mysteries of Egypt. The Essenes had among other Chaldean rites inherited what was afterwards known as the Mithraic Eucharist, the ceremony of bread and wine and salt, which, as we shall see later, was transmitted through the ages until it was incorporated in the modern degree of the Rose-Croix of Heredom. The consecration of those elements was and is wonderful. though there is not so full a descent of the Divine Presence as in the corresponding ritual of Amen used in ancient Egypt. It seems probable. however, that the Lord Christ took the Mthraic supper as the basis of His holy Eucharist, and while preserving the ancient symbolism of the elements changed them into His own special vehicle, symbolized as His Body and Blood - the very closest and most intimate of all sacraments known to man."

  "The Mithraic Eucharist brought the worshippers into close touch with the divine Life; the mystic supper of the Rose-Croix lifts the Sovereign Prince into a wonderful union with Christ, the Lord of love; in the ritual of Amen the Brn. bowed to each who had partaken of the sacrament saying, "Thou art Osiris." The holy Eucharist of the Christian Church is the last and most wonderful of all, for in it we receive Him, the Lord of Love and the sacred Host is just as fully and perfectly His vehicle as was the body of Jesus in Palestine two thousand years ago. It seems probable that He took the existing sacrament which was regularly celebrated in the Essene community, and transfigured it into another and holier Eucharist, which has become the glory of His Church from generation to generation."

  Will

  "I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's."
  Mark Twain
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  What would happen if I partook at the memorial?

  by lv4fer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was just wondering.

  would they disfellowship me?

  would they just take me aside and question me?

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  William Penwell

  bluesapphire, I just seen this in a book that I am currently reading. It was referring to the sacraments as coming from the mysteries of pre-Christian, Egyptian, Cretan traditions. As soon as I find the quote I will pass it on.

  Will

  "I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's."
  Mark Twain
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  Are Demons still roaming the bedrooms at Bethel?

  by Tanalyst in

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  a couple decades ago a bro.

  tells me an experience that he says i must keep top secret.. one of his roomates (he lived in a 4 man bedroom) at nite while in bed would see this green form in the likeness of a man in the room.

  if my memory serves me right, another roomate also saw it, some days later.. so my friend asks all the roomates if any received anything religious from anyone.the 1st guy to report these demons remembered he recently had received a letter with some religious pictures.

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  William Penwell

  Yeah I am surprised the Jdub didn't try to witness to the green guy. He could have reported the time as incidental witnessing. What I understand is we have here what psychologist refer to as night terrors which is related to sleep walking. As a person wakes up and is coming out of the dream state into consciousness, the unconscious state is still present thus the illusions.. There is always a logical explanation but religious fanatics want to always attach something mysterious and frightening to it.

  Will

  "I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's."
  Mark Twain
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  Why two tests for the "other sheep"?

  by sleepy in

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  why two tests for the "other sheep"?.

  i could never understand the reason why the society believed that those destined to live on earth had to go through two tests.. one at armageddon the other at the end of the thousand year reign of christ.. if they have been tested as to loyalty at armageddon why is a further test needed.if armageddon is not a good enought test for christian why have it at all, why not just have the final test?.

  also those suppossed to be gong to heaven don't have an test.the get ressurected as perfect beings without going through armageddon or the final test.does that make sense?.

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  William Penwell

  In otherwords its nothing but a bunch of BS a fairytale that was created by a bunch of old farts with nothing else to do.

  Will

  "I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's."
  Mark Twain
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  What would happen if I partook at the memorial?

  by lv4fer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was just wondering.

  would they disfellowship me?

  would they just take me aside and question me?

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  William Penwell

  If one found out the real symbolic pre-Christian origins behind the consumption of the bread and wine, they would have second thoughts to have anything to do with the whole ritual.

  Will

  "I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's."
  Mark Twain
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  What would happen if I partook at the memorial?

  by lv4fer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was just wondering.

  would they disfellowship me?

  would they just take me aside and question me?

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  William Penwell

  I would think that they wouldn't DF you unless you told them you didn't believe in their BS. My understanding is that is a personal decision and that no one can tell you that you can or cannot take them. However, I am sure the elders in that congregation would question you afterwards to see if you are ligament or not.

  Will

  "I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's."
  Mark Twain
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  French Book Debunks Pentagon 9/11 Attack

  by SYN in

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  check it out!

  http://www.msn.co.za/exredir.asp?startid=clip_sabc44103&url=http://www.sabcnews.com/world/north_america/0,1009,30676,00.html.

  "...the greater will be the beneficial effect, because you get more of the ultra-violet rays, which are healing" - the golden age.

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  How does he justify all those on the plane that lost their lives or all the eye witness accounts of seeing the plane hit the building??? Also if it was a bomb, a bomb that made that much damage in a fortified building, it would have to have been fairly big. How could they have gotten a bomb that big in there without anyone noticing? Sounds like a nut to me that wants his 15 minutes of fame.

  Will

  "I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's."
  Mark Twain
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  The future for the WT...

  by TheApostleAK in

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  sociologically speaking as a religion, the jw's are at a threshold of continued cultishness and obscurity, or re-oriontation to a more 'mainline' christian religion with its own unique distinctiveness.

  i say the wt will take the middle ground....

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  William Penwell

  All religion start out as a cult. Even the Catholic church started out that way. Although how good can a church be that allows pedifiles in it and takes money from poor third world countries. I can't wait to see the end of all organized religions but we know that will never happen in our or our childrens life times.

  Will

  "I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's."
  Mark Twain
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  Field Service Physical Humiliation

  by ashitaka in

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  what physical humiliation did you suffer in field service?.

  i froze my little hands off in the winter and sweated until i got headaches in the summer....got yelled at if i complained about it....even if i was so hot or cold that i got sick afterwards.. at times it was like calculated torture.. you?

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  William Penwell

  The worst thing that happen to me out in the service was when I was a teenager and these kids followed us from door to door and heckled us.

  Will

  "I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's."
  Mark Twain
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  The Power of Myth

  by openminded in

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  did anyone happen to catch the series of interviews with joseph campbell that aired on pbs on sunday morning?

  campbell is an author and scholar of mythology and religion.

  i am going to find and buy is book "the power of myth" he offers some very, very good insights and well worth looking at.. om

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  William Penwell

  I seen his "Power of Myth" with Bill Moyer on the PBS pledge break. He is good and like the writer says Joseph Campbell makes a lot of sense. For the first time in my life I am able to understand how everything connects together.

  Will

  "I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's."
  Mark Twain